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  •  11-21-2006, 10:49 AM 1452

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    MARK OF THE BEAST

    Did you know that by 2008, Australia will have a national ID card to replace, Medicare, Pension, License and all other government card?

    Is this leading the way to Micro chips and implants?
    Is this leading the way to the mark of the beast?


    In 2005 the Govt rules out national ID card scheme ...BUT..2006 ... they changed their minds and by 2008 we will all have a national ID card.

    SOURCE: http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Govt-rules-out-national-ID-card-scheme/2005/07/12/1120934230285.html


    2010
    SOURCE: http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/official-national-card-due-by-2010/2006/04/26/1145861419456.html

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    The new "smart card" will contain "enhanced security" and replace 17 existing cards for Medicare benefits, family tax, child-care and unemployment payments, pensions, Austudy and pharmaceutical and transport concessions.


    From: Binh Ngo
  •  12-02-2006, 7:03 AM 1461 in reply to 1452

    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    Dear techngo,

    I would not be hasty to call this as a progression towards the mark of the beast.

    For some strange reason, the people of Australia (and let me say this as a sweeping statement, if I might be so bold), have an odd resistance against any such form of national identification. ID theft here is rampant, and streamlining of the various forms of accepted ID can perhaps decrease such chances of ID theft if a centralized database would suffice to better identify in a faster and more convenient way the holder of such a card.

    I know for a fact many other countries have had for a long time one card that will, by virtue of a national database, give any government and quasi-government authority instant access to one's entire family tree, criminal record, tax return record and so forth - I dare say such a system cuts down on some red tape thus making it easier for the common man and institutions requiring ID verification to get on with business.

    It took awhile for good old Oz-tralia (or Western Australia anyhow....) to embrace the picture ID. There was a time our driving licences need not have mugshots on them - how backward is that? And the real reason pictures were subsequently included is because people needed picture ID to prove they are at least 18 years old to get into clubs, bars and other such places of sin. How pathetic is that? It just goes to show the intent of the common man and how the government responds to the "needs" of its people.

    My reservation with such a system of unified identification stems more from my disdain for nanny-state governments that have their reign of power only because of an ignorant majority who either believe the government will "do the right thing" or worse, are too complacent to oust any government not doing the right thing. Still, our alleged system of humanistic democracy is a far cry from true freedom because the real powers and principalities that rule this realm are trying harder and harder to eradicate the Lordship of our Holy Commander and if we Christians do not constantly battle against this, then we have lost.

    In any case, this realm will come to an end. The mark of the beast is but a necessary evil for this process to be fulfilled. Perhaps, the real question would be - how much and for how long dare we stand up for our Lord Jesus especially in the End Times where we know that Christians will be persecuted?

    It is hypothesized that all theories are wrong.
  •  12-04-2006, 6:45 AM 1463 in reply to 1461

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    Thank you for that insight..

    My goal is to pre-warn all our brothers and sisters that by taking the mark and worshipping the Antichrist and his image, one's destiny will be torment with fire and brimstone forever.

    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.  (Revelation 13:16—18)

    And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Revelation 14:9—11)

     

    Let us not turn a blind eye to the deceptions of Satan.

    The ID card is just a fore taste of the things to come.

     


    From: Binh Ngo
  •  12-04-2006, 2:06 PM 1464 in reply to 1463

    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    Realise that the rapture will happen before this mark thing is implemented so it will not apply to those who have truly accepted Christ as their Lord & Saviour!

    I guess it's a good time to ask yourself where will you be after the rapture & confirm your beliefs.

  •  04-10-2007, 1:14 PM 1563 in reply to 1461

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    Christians will be caught up in the tribulations.

     

    Do not be fooled that we will be raptured before the tribulation.

     

    Those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation or Mid-Tribulation Rapture have argued that Jesus will appear and gather the saints and then disappear for either 3.5 years or 7 years* while the Anti-Christ takes over the earth.* However, Paul clearly states that when Jesus appears, Jesus will destroy the Lawless One at the same time he is gathering the saints to meet him in the air. There is no intervening period of 3 to 7 years.

    The logic is very simple. Paul equates the return of the Lord with the slaying of the Anti-Christ [or Man of Lawlessness], he equates the return of Christ with the Rapture [or Assembly to meet Jesus in the air], and he equates the return of Christ with the Last Trumpet. Paul sees all three events as simultaneous. The Anti-Christ is causing a reign of terror before the coming of the Lord, and the saints are still on the earth being persecuted while this Man of Lawlessness has power. Paul anticipates that he may even be alive at the time of the Lord's appearing during this time of persecution - which would mean that Paul, a faithful, believing saint, might be on the earth during the time of the tribulation. He is not being left behind because of apostasy:

    "But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, RSV.

    There was a rumor spreading among the Thessalonians that they had missed the "rapture." They had heard that the Lord had already returned, and they feared they might have been "left behind." Paul writes 1 & 2 Thessalonians in part to assure believers that they have not been "left behind." Paul wants them to know that all believers will share in Christ's return and none will be left or miss the Lord's coming. Believing that even he might be on earth at the Lord's return, Paul says that the there will be many saints on the earth when Christ returns, and together with the previously dead in Christ, they all will assemble in the air to meet Jesus, who will, at that time, slay the Anti-Christ. Jesus will not leave people on the earth at the mercy of the Anti-Christ. There will not be an rapture [assembly in the air] and then, later, Jesus again coming a third time to destroy the Anti-Christ. Jesus destroys the Lawless One at the very same time he comes for the saints:

    "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the Man of Lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?... And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, RSV.

    Paul further argues that not all will die, but some will be alive when the last trump sounds and, together with the dead in Christ, they shall all be changed at once! Since Christ brings the faithful dead with him at his appearing (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), the assembly in the air and the last trump are simultaneous events:

    "I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."" 1 Corinthians 15:50-54, RSV.

    So, why do people think that the rapture will be before the tribulation or in the middle of the tribulation? Scant weight is given in the parables of the Kingdom:

    "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Then two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left." Matthew 24:36-40, RSV.

    However, this passage does not indicate that the person is left behind to face a tribulation, and perhaps a later salvation. The saints are "raptured" as Christ returns, but, like those left behind when God closed the door on Noah's ark, those left behind are left behind to face judgment:

    "I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:" 2 Timothy 4:1, NKJV.

    In addition, Paul argues that the final rebellion [apostasy or the falling away] which allows the Anti-Christ to be revealed is a rebellion of judgment ordained for all those who reject Christ. The people rebel, but the Scripture says they are deluded so that can be judged by God at the appearing of Christ:

    "And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12, RSV.

    When Jesus appears, he does not leave some behind for a later rapture; instead, at his coming, he judges both the Lawless One and all those who have followed him. The point is, the judgment of the Lawless One and his followers [the unbelievers], Jesus' Appearing or Coming Again, and the Assembly of Saints in the sky [Rapture], all are one event.

    There is no evidence that the Rapture or Assembly happens either before or in the middle of the last tribulation.

    For extensive arguments as to why the belief in a Laodicean Age of Apostasy is not relevant, go here.

    *The Great Tribulation, a 7 year period in which the Anti-Christ rules the earth and persecutes the church. This 7 year period is seen as predicted in Daniel 12:11-12 as a time of great persecution which corresponds to Revelation's last days. The idea of Pre-Tribulation Rapture is that the escape of the saints takes place before this period of tribulation takes place. Mid-Tribulation Rapture is the idea that the saints are taken up during the middle of this seven year period. The problem with both views historically, is that there are ample scriptures which predict the saints will suffer persecution but be proved faithful even unto death. Revelation is full of references to the saints who have glorified God through martyrdom during the reign of the Anti-Christ, while there is no mention of a reward for those who merely escape persecution:

    "Then I saw thrones, and those seated on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4, NRSV. (see also Rev. 12:11 & 6:10-11)

    Another problem historically is that apocalyptic books like Daniel and Revelation are not literal chronologies but spiritual and symbolic testimonies which reveal divine truth about God's sovereign rule over human affairs. Their use of numbers is meant to be symbolic, with John using over 400 references to Old Testament scriptures, symbols, numbers, and imagery which would have been clearly understood by his readers as having symbolic meanings. We are in danger of great misinterpretation when we take a spiritual vision and interpret as a literal, historical chronology of earthly events.


    From: Binh Ngo
  •  04-10-2007, 10:54 PM 1564 in reply to 1563

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    What you are talking about here is the historic or "post-tribulational premillennialism" model, where the 2nd coming of Christ occurs as one event after the tribulation.

    The model that I was referring to is the pre-tribulational or "dispensational premillennialism" model where the 2nd coming is split into 2 phases involving the rapture. Note that this model suggests 2 phases of the 2nd coming of Christ and NOT His 2nd AND 3RD coming.  This model, by the way is probably the most widely accepted view among Christians (think Left Behind), and also the one that the VEC adopts, both in the US (Pastor Lam Van Minh mentioned it in one of his visits) & here. 

    There are arguments for and against each model, and to be honest, there's no absolute certainty that one is more correct than the other until we meet Jesus again!  There are many things in the scriptures that we cannot fully be 100% certain of yet, simply because our human brain in its current state cannot comprehend it - not until we are transformed when we meet God (for comparison, imagine a dog fully understanding how "rain" works -- it is simply not possible for a dog's brain to comprehend the processes required to make rain - the "water or hydrologic cycle", it only knows to hide when it rains so it doesn't get wet).  Also, most of these things, the scriptures are not absolutely clear about.  Eschatology (the study of end times) is just one of these things, and the study of it has been ongoing since the resurrection & ascension of Christ, and will continue so until it actually happens!

    Now, talking about Christian eschatology models, the two I mentioned above is not the only models or views put forward.  The 2 other major models are the postmillennialism and amillennialism.  Check out the article on Christian eschatology on Wikipedia for insights into these various models.

    Comparison of Christian millennial interpretations

    Regardless of the models or views, there are things that we ARE CERTAIN about, that is Christ will come again, our salvation is certain when we fully believe and accept that He died for our sins, and where we spend eternity depends on this decision.  As for the study of end times, I agree with the view from the conclusion of that Left Behind article:

    Regardless of view, there is general agreement that Revelation paints a powerful picture of God's sovereignty and ultimate triumph, an exalted view of Christ, and the accountability that everyone must bear for his or her own relationship with God. Dr. LaHaye makes an important point in Are We Living in the End Times? (pp 6-7). When people have taken prophecy seriously in the past, he says, it has lead to three things:

    1. It has challenged believers to holy living in an unholy age;
    2. It has given Christians a greater challenge to evangelize; and
    3. It has caused the church to be more missionary-minded as the church has realized it must fulfill the great commission before Christ returns.
  •  04-19-2007, 10:56 AM 1570 in reply to 1564

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    May the Lord Jesus be Bless with our study of his word!

     

    I hear the Lord calling and convicting my heart to prepare for the great day.

     

    Mt. 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

    Mt. 24:43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

    Mt. 24:44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

    Mt. 24:45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

     

    It doesn’t matter when we will be raptured, before the Mark of the Beast or after the Mark of the Beat has been implemented.

     

    All I know is that the Lord has strongly called my family to be ready as in the days of Noah.

    If we are to live through the Mark of the Beast, then in those days, we will not be able to buy, sell, travel or work without conforming to the will of the Anti-Christ.

     

    I pray brothers and sisters that I am not crazy or taking the word of the God to literally.

     

    But I know what God has commanded me to do.

     

    I have begun to store up enough food to last my family for three and a half years.

    I have dipped every can of food in candle wax to stop the cans from rusting.

    People and families are calling me mad, but I know what I have heard from the Lord.

     

    I pray brothers and sisters that you will pray for me, for the Lord has convicted my heart to give my life to serve him.

     

    He has called me into Ministry but I am so afraid and worried for my family, my wife and my children.

     

    I pray if this is the will of God, then he will make it known and I will not flee away from him like Jonah.

     

    Mt. 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “`the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [Isaiah 13:10; 34:4]

    Mt. 24:30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

    Mt. 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

     

     

    Your brother in Christ

     

    Ben Ngo.


    From: Binh Ngo
  •  07-15-2008, 12:20 PM 1979 in reply to 1570

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    Many people and Christians alike are storing away their income in shares, retirement, gold and the bank.

     

    I have a question, what happens when the Mark of the Beast is implemented?

    How will you buy or sell?

    What happens if the electric days of banking and money are all done through credit cards and smart cards?

     

    Have you heard of a credit card or smart card?

     

    You would say “Yes, Why are you insulting my intelligence”?

     

    Well, take note that the credit card has only been introduce into society in the last 20 years.

     

    Many countries now are cashless.

    Many countries are now reuniting to become a bigger state.

    For example the Europe Union – they are now called The United States of Europe.

    Do you know that America wants Mexico and Canada to reunite?

     

    Do you know that Australia wants New Zealand to reunite?

     

    Do you not see…?


    From: Binh Ngo
  •  07-15-2008, 2:30 PM 1982 in reply to 1452

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

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  •  07-17-2008, 7:53 AM 1987 in reply to 1982

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    Re: MARK OF THE BEAST

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=598694

    Italy says 'yes' to fingerprinting

    An Italian parliamentary commission has given initial approval to a plan that would require fingerprints on national identity cards for everyone living in the country.


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